When men ignore the women for a sporting event or working on his vehicle they call use boys and our toys, but how shall we respond to those women who whine, complain and use drama in order to manipulate all the while they are complaining about men being honest. Women lie all the time, the visual lie, your not that tall and you don't look like that in the morning, I was with a girl who had problems letting guys wake up beside her because she was insecure about herself without makeup on even though she was beautiful, grow up and get over it hun.

Some women just never grow up, Test this one out tell a girl no and see how she deals with with the word no, does she say fine and stomp away, shout, pout or just try to threaten you with something? I'm sick of games from women trying to find her mature knight in shining armor through show of desperation like "hey Look at my cleavage, I'm just like every other desperate women screaming for attention" Don't get me wrong I love the site of an athletic women but I'm looking for more class rather than just ass.

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When men ignore the women for a sporting event or working on his vehicle they call use boys and our toys, but how shall we respond to those women who whine, complain and use drama in order to manipulate all the while they are complaining about men being honest. Women lie all the time, the visual lie, your not that tall and you don't look like that in the morning, I was with a girl who had problems letting guys wake up beside her because she was insecure about herself without makeup on even though she was beautiful, grow up and get over it hun.

Some women just never grow up, Test this one out tell a girl no and see how she deals with with the word no, does she say fine and stomp away, shout, pout or just try to threaten you with something? I'm sick of games from women trying to find her mature knight in shining armor through show of desperation like "hey Look at my cleavage, I'm just like every other desperate women screaming for attention" Don't get me wrong I love the site of an athletic women but I'm looking for more class rather than just ass.

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Yeah stomping your feet and pouting when you don't get your way is real mature lol

i say its so that it keeps the guy wanting you even more. but thats just my opinion.

Playing hard to get isn't worth anyones time anymore, Maybe in a small town with only 30 women but in this day and age hard to get, gets you kicked out. I like the saying"there are no missed opportunities because if you don't take advantage of them someone else will" So When you play hard to get the guy gets lost and finds a women who doesn't demand one sided honesty in a relationship but reciprocates. Women already subjugate themselves from the beginning with their hour long preparation just to go to the store.

I know his is an old thread but its really interesting. Sugah actually hit the nail on the head. Women do get approached thousands of times over their prime years. They have to develop mechanisms to weed out the guys that aren't the cream of the crop. They can afford to do that because they literally have thousands of options, and that's no exagerration. They simply don't have the time to see if every guy that approaches them is worth their time, so they give guys tests. One is a test of your persistence. If you give up too easy, you lose. They also test our confidence, maturity, sense of reality, social status, mental strength, ambition, and a lot of other things. In fact, the "hard to get" game is only the tip of the iceberg. Now you're talking, laughing, chilling, even dating, it isn't over yet bro.

The good thing is that it works the same way in reverse. A guy who a woman is attracted to can compell the woman to chase him by being mysterious, socially savvy and pre-selected by other rival women. Men who have game know how to use this to their advantage and in some respect turn the tables on hard to get women. Don't hate the game, appreciate it. It's there for a very good reason.

I need to know, how would women know if the right man is actually the right one and not the phoney/player. The player knows exactly how right person acts like and shows that to intelligent women, which women easily falls for. I wanted to know how you find the difference???
I think the way to find the real person is if he or she does shows signs of perfect man/woman. If he/she does everything that you expect in your dreams well they are looking a way to give you STD. More the experience better they are being your real guy/gal, so if you see signs of expert lover, say I know you ;)

it's like a chewing gum, if it sticks to your hair you have to cut your hair. but that's just my opinion.

The more girls play the game the better as long as they are giving enough hints to keep the chase on. The hotter the girl the more she can get away with it. The better she flirs even more. Add in a personality, some brains and most guys are not worth of her. So she can do what she wants.

personally i think, man or woman, that game playing is childish and can be hurtful and confusing.

i say, lay your cards out on the table and be honest and be who you are plain and simple. if interested there are subtle ways to let them know by flirts or just be forthright and tell them...if not, then dont lead them on.

i dont think because a woman or guy is "hot" or "hotter" that it should give them the go ahead to mess around with people's feelings and/or confuse a situation or potential relationship.

in some cases many had bad relationship so they build a wall after falling so long with pain sadness broken heart...etc so to prevent this cycle over and over agin they decide to be single to satisfy their own needs of happiness

in other cases some feel the need to show their strong side when actually they are shattered in the inside

then again she probably wants to get her life right before she starts settle down

I agree with Jem. Men like the chase. Women like to be persued. It's been like this forever. Men like a challenge, if it's too easy he'll move on or get bored. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free?

bs! try going after women in your own league and maybe you will have better luck.

you men like to blame women but it seems to me that you are trying to date women out of your league,,,,or women who are superficial barbies and you expect mrs cleaver to be the outcome or some crap.

UGH!

women can say plenty about you men too ...believe me!

or they could be using a tactic of 'playing hard to get' to wait n see if they are a keeper or not...see if the "real them" comes out...to see if they are assholes...see what kind of person they really are...see if they are "players".

Or they might wanna keep options open to escape if they turn out to be wierdos, stalkers, crazies, freaks, retards in tinfoil, ...ect ect

but like some say...its that men like to chase and women like to be chased.

I dont play hard to get...i lay my cards on the table...be it or get out and vice versa. I dont like to waste my time energy and heart into something that isnt good for us both.

not all women are that way kiddo.

i for one hardly wear makeup...i do go to the store in my pajama's and it doesnt take me a hour or more to get ready...that my friend is my girl friends :/

so dont lump all women in that pile of crap cuz it just isn't so!

I'm not speaking for all women, but women is New York (most, not all) like a challenge. If a man is too easily blinded by her beauty and not willing or able to find out more about her interests, her values, and her aspirations in life, what's the point in being with a guy you can easily control. THERE'S NO MUTUAL RESPECT for one another, as some posters pointed out earlier.

Point being, most women I've talked with in New York wants a man that's sociable, understanding, and caring enough so that a relationship can be based on TRUST, not LUST.

So in closing, most women in New York (although this can apply to women elsewhere as well) wants a man for emotional security, able to accept her flaws (if any) and love her still, and willing to be there FOR her at all times, good or bad. This "hard to get" idea is only a test to see if the man is truly WORTHY of her time, as others may have pointed out already.

it's just to make it a bit more mysterious, and to find out if the guy really likes the girl.. well, thats what i think (:

ok from my own personal experience which im going through at present with my girlfriend,sometimes its hard for the guy!when the woman/girl act a little colder or become a little distant it can be a few things either they want your attention want you to back off a little your being to easy and to nice (nice guy syndrome) your always there and available for the woman and well sometimes the spark needs re ignighting!
heres what to do guys ok right (yes im doing this at the moment personally and its working for me) my girlfriend said i needed to go a find things for myself i am being to nice im always there she wants some space and has been acting colder towards me because i do everything for her and she has become alot more unavailable!so i have stepped up the game to turn tables i dont always answer the phone i go and see friends and i go surfing and take the dog out for long walks so im not always around and available im not always there to be door matted and used and walked over!
we are so alike but its getting the rubber band effect she pulls away so i stretch a little further and she is coming flying back at me its hard to get your head around at first but it does really work and now ive re established the mystery and the spark back she wants to spend time with me again because its getting her mind wondering (curiosity killed the cat) women are nosey and like chasing also and if you have a female friend you can go speak to alone aswell or go for coffee or something then all the better triggers the female mind to wonder why another girl is wanting to spend time with you and makes you become the target of affection because she could perceive the other woman to be a threat and try and hold onto you alot more because hey if others want you then you must be worth it so go on guys play the games back because your worth it ;)

I just think it comes from a defense mechanism. We've all seen in High school if the guy sleeps with two different girls in the span of a week he gets cred, but if the girl sleeps with two different guys in the same month she gets labeled a slut. Social conditioning at it's most basic level, right where the hormones are at their raging peak.
As we mature and go from the social drama of the schoolyard to the workplace (and by extension the 'adult recess' venues like bars and clubs), this is even more pronounced. How many people do you know are having a successful relationship with someone at work? You probably know a few, but a guy can largely get away with it. A woman is looked at as using her sexuality to gain advantage, the old 'sleeping with the boss' cliche.
This kind of social conditioning makes women somewhat more cautious in how they respond to a male overture. If she likes him, she's probably going to see if he's worth having. A woman that's all over a guy usually discovers that once he has gotten it that easy, it's lost some of it's appeal.
For a guy it's hard to see the 'chase' as different than a put-off. If he makes a genuine advance and it is rebuffed, he begins to doubt the interest there. A little bit of mystery and 'come get me if you can' is highly exciting...a repeated pattern of it becomes boring.
That being said, a guy who expects something physical from a first date isn't being reasonable. I mean, it's simply a matter of respect. You're taking her out on a date to see if you click. If you are making a real effort to find out, then you want to know all you can. if she is more to you than just a piece of ass, then she is WORTH finding out details of her life. If not, then the guy is just out to get laid.
By the same token, a woman who goes out with someone for a month and still doesn't show any physical attention to the guy is not making a case for herself. Are you attracted to him or not? You don't have to lick his feet, but if you're not thinking of him in terms of a mate/partner then it begins to occur to the guy that he is just a wallet or a platonic friend in her mind.

this applies to everyone on most date sites like this one, the problem is it is impossible to make a true judgment on someone over the PC it is synthetic and false, most people are not what they claim to be, be it a woman or a man,
woman are affraid to talk to a guy in public because they think every guy is after one thing, though subconciously so are they, duh, the world has lost it's
abilty to interact nd use their social skills in real life, the PC has destroyed that,unless we can at least watch a video responce of someone. the guy is asking why the game? why waist time in other words if you like the guy tell him, not wait and look for 50 different other guys, yes men do that too, but we all lose in the game do we not? the real truth is most woman depend on men to validate who they are instead of loving themselves first they depend on a man to fix them when it never happens, or fix the guy, that is imposible if it isn't meant to be. not to mention theirs too much fear in being ourselves because it isn't cool. when infact it is the coolest thing to be our real self in the first place,

i believe if the man or the woman are both true spiritual christian people they will stay together and treasure eachother for all eternity, never mind the chase crap, that's what i believe, i like what you wrote though it is true. i'm just truly tired of any games or attention routines it's too shallow.

...ladies i have this for you,if your reasons for playing hard to get was to proved whether a man is really interested,so what of if the man in question swallow the pains and wait for you as long as you want;then when you finally open up,he screw up your emotions,break the trust you had on him just to pay you back for making him wait this long
QUESTION
Does how persistent a man is prove his real worth?

HOW MUCH TIME DO YOU WANT?.SHOULD A MAN WAIT FOR A LADY ALL HIS LIFE FOR HER TO MAKE UP HER MIND?IF A MAN WHERE TO TELL YOU THAT HE NEEDS TIME TO DETERMINE WHETHER HE IS INTERESTED IN YOU,HE PLAYS HARD TO GET ATLEAST IN THE DURATION OF FOUR MONTHS OR EVEN MORE.HOW WILL YOU FEEL?
....the fact remains play hard to get but always remember to keep some open lines,when a lady over do it,its nothing but wickedness,and if am in this kind of sh:;t,will just let her be and date her best friend or sister,she can't stand the jelousy

I don't play hard to get! I want sex right away to see if you can keep up with me, if not you will be thrown to the curb like the other fuckers!

First of all I think it rare that a girl comes along that really grabs your heart to where you really want to pursue her. When you meet this girl, and she plays hard to get it forces you to rise to the occasion. I think if you are that frustrated she isn't for you. If you really had the heart for her you would be up for the challenge. For instance if you really like a girl you will be willing to chase. Meaning accept slight rejection but be persistent. If you don't get a clear no, and are getting signals she is into you keep at it. Be friends and slip in you are beautiful every once in a while. Don't just walk away and pout. Keep on. Hound her with sweet gestures from time to time and then act like just her friend adn then start again. If she doesn't get snatched up by someone else in the mean time, you will feel like you climbed the highest mountain in the world when you finally get a yes, and you will have won her over....not an easy task, but well worth the battle.